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Provide a way to change membership level during renewal

Current Behaviour

During membership renewal a member may have more than one membership level available. Choosing among them is cumbersome. The member clicks one button to renew at his current level or clicks another button to choose a different level.

Also, changing the membership level doesn’t act like a renewal as regards calculation of the Renewal Due date. Desired Behaviour

Use one button for both functions. If multiple membership levels are available, show “Renew and choose membership level” on the “Renew until …” button. This would give the member a choice that looks like that on the membership application form.

The membership Renewal Due date would need to be calculated based on the level that was selected, since different levels may have different renewal periods.

An option may need to be added to the membership level renewal policy to prohibit member self-service level changes, which would prevent the Change Membership Level button from showing on forms. Why

We have in the past only offered an annual membership (Regular). We have now created a three-year discounted membership as another level (Regular – 2011 3-Year Deal). The process for a member to select the new level is too cumbersome and confusing. First, he has to know another level exists. Then he has to use the Change Membership Level button instead of the Renew Until button. If he chooses the Change Membership Level button, the Renewal Due date is calculated differently that for a renewal (it’s based on the current date at the time of the level change).

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      • Darlene Devendorf commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        For our organization, a level change is a change in the length of the membership period which involves a discounted price not a change in privileges. Members doing a level change as part of their renewal are finding that they have lost membership time if they do it before the current renewal date. When we were vetting Wild Apricot we missed this as being an issue. I would prefer our members not losing membership time to allowing a level change at any time during the membership cycle. Perhaps this could be a "checked" option for a membership level - allowing a change in level but basing the Renewal Due date on the current Renewal Due date for that member vs. basing it on the date of the level change.

      • Stacey Glaser commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I concur with all the other posts in this thread and find it hard to believe that this feature is missing from this system, and for so long. This has been an issue for many people. Please consider at the very least making this simple change so that our members are able to change their membership level at the time their membership renewal is due. No prorating or membership change during the year(s) just the simple ability to change during the renewal process. Thanks.

      • Gail commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I think we agree with this comment by Mark commented January 2, 2017 8:29 PM Flag as inappropriate
        Allow membership level changes only during renewal -
        Provide a selection under Levels that allows members to change levels only when renewing.
        That would satisfy our requirements. No need to pro-rate, offer refunds, etc. Members would simply renew at the new level, at the appropriate rate, and for the same membership term.

        Our initial membership term is 3 years, our renewal 2 years.

        The Renewal button on the profile causes problems, it suggests they can renew for 3 years, and will do it .... wrong term and wrong rate.

        We have found we can instruct our members to use the Change button on their profile to select the Renewal membership at the right rate. It is a work around, but will do the job.

        But any user can click on the Renewal button and cause issues.

        We would like an option to remove / hide that Renewal button from the initial member profile page and the member edit page.

      • Suellen Honeychuck commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        We are new users of Wild Apricot and so far have been very pleased. However, as many have already commented, we have also discovered an issue that is going to cause a lot more work for us. We would like our members to receive the list of all membership levels when they respond to a reminder to renew. We have a number of student members who need to join as voting members once they graduate from their paralegal program and as it stands now they will be unable to do that easily and are less likely to contact us to make the change and thus simply NOT renew which means we lose membership. Please fix this ASAP. This has apparently been going on for FIVE years. It seems like a pretty logical thing one would want an association management program to be able to do without a lot of extra work!

      • Paul commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I agree. This issue causes lots of confusion and additional administrative work on our volunteers to maintain/respond to member emails and manually have to update every time someone changes their membership level after receiving a reminder, but before the renewal date.

      • Mark commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Allow membership level changes only during renewal -
        Provide a selection under Levels that allows members to change levels only when renewing.
        That would satisfy our requirements. No need to pro-rate, offer refunds, etc. Members would simply renew at the new level, at the appropriate rate, and for the same membership term.

      • Mark commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Provide a selection under Levels that allows members to change levels only when renewing.

        That would satisfy our requirements. No need to pro-rate, offer refunds, etc. Members would simply renew at the new level, at the appropriate rate, and for the same membership term.

      • Marshall L. Henley commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I agree. Just add the ability to select from your current level or the available levels configured for that level at renewal (we would even say "force the selecion" - so we have a chance to upsell them) . That would solve our problem.

      • Cindy Bruce commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This is our first year in using WA and we are facing this problem already, ourselves. We have introduced a lower membership fee for 2017 so as some people are renewing their membership for January, I have had to try to make it clear on our website that they need to "Change Membership Level" when they renew, in order to pay the lower fee, so instead of Adult or Student level, they need to choose the 2017 Adult or 2017 Student level but many of them are missing this. The main problem is that when I set the new levels up, I set the renewal date to be one year from now. Some of them come out correct to say their renewal date is December 15, 2017 but for most of them, it's saying December 15, 2016 and they get freaked out, thinking their membership now expires in one month. So I'm having to go in there on a daily basis, to check everyone's expiration date and manually change most of them to December 15, 2017. This is very time consuming because we will be having over 500 to renew. I've been told by support that because they're changing their level, they're not actually "renewing" and the next renewing date is December 15, 2016. Well, why then do we have the choice of choosing the renewal date when we add a level for them to change to, if it's not going to work the way we think it should, AND why do some of them change correctly and some do not?

      • mcorden commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        fix the issue where is someone changes membership level after receiving the reminder, but before the renewal date, the system doesn't renew them.

      • AdminApricot Kernel (Product Manager, Wild Apricot) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Henry, this is exactly what this suggestion is about - when we start working on it, we most probably redesign current behaviour and remove this difference between renewal and level change. During renewal process anyone will be able to change current level if he wants.

        Still, this is not not in work.

      • Henry Busetti commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Members renew their annual membership with our organization (a mountain bike club) starting each April 1. In our renewal reminder email we encourage them to upgrade their membership to a higher level while they renew. If they renew at the same level they receive the "renewal completed" automatic email (which we have customized). If they renew and upgrade their membership they receive two automatic email (level change pending and level change pending - which are not customizable), but to not receive an automatic "renewal completed" email.

        Our problem: we have to keep track of all our "level change completed" memberships in order to send those members a manual "renewal completed" email.

        Our suggestion: can an option be created so that an organization can treat a renewal with a level change just like a regular renewal (and have an automatic "renewal completed" email go out, and eliminate the "level change pending" and "level change completed" emails?

      • Brandon Longley commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I have been experiencing issues with the changing membership level system, this would most probably solve the process of changing levels. Currently it has to be done manually by admin.

      • batguano commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        What's the status of a fix for the multi-year membership level renewal problem? I'm unable to find any mention in the product roadmap and, for my organization, renewal due dates continue to be updated incorrectly when processing renewals.

        This problem was first reported in 2010 and in 2012 it was on the design team's to-do list. Have some changes been made? Are more planned? Do we need to start a new thread on this subject?

      • Jessica Reinhardt commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Changing a membership level is something we currently offer to our members, and is handled at renewal time. At the moment, we use this as a way for members who would like to support the cause to donate a higher amount of money at their renewal date. We are just starting to use the Wild Apricot system and invoices have been sent out.

        Based on my research, I expected that members would be able to select a level of membership during the renewal process. This is very important to us. The road map document is large and cumbersome. Could WA staff provide an update on this issue?

      • mcorden commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This is also a huge problem for us. I see this has been dragging on for years with no action.

        This leads me to assume that there are no plans to fix this flaw anytime soon (or ever)!

        I understand that all systems have issues of one type or another. But it's not good to see that it's been a know issue for 4 years and customers are being told in 2012 "this is a frequent request and something our product design team plans to work on this year." IN 2012!

        Come on guys. Either fix it or be honest and say it's something that we just have to live with.

      • mcorden commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This is also a problem for us. Members change their Level at Renewal time yet the system doesn't record them as having renewed.

        I see this has been an oustanding flaw in the system for 2 1/2 years!

        Do I assume then that there are no plans to fix this anytime soon (if at all)?

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